BBC Concert Orchestra, Kathryn Rudge, Henk Neven & Barry Wordsworth - Elgar: Orchestral Songs (2018)
BBC Concert Orchestra, Kathryn Rudge, Henk Neven & Barry Wordsworth - Elgar: Orchestral Songs (2018)
EAC Rip | FLAC (tracks+log+.cue) - 352 Mb | MP3 CBR 320 kbps - 207 Mb | 01:30:30
Classical, Vocal | Label: SOMM Recordings
EAC Rip | FLAC (tracks+log+.cue) - 352 Mb | MP3 CBR 320 kbps - 207 Mb | 01:30:30
Classical, Vocal | Label: SOMM Recordings
SOMM Recordings is delighted to present a revelatory collection of orchestral songs by Sir Edward Elgar (on double slimline selling as a single disc), performed by two of today’s most exciting young singers – mezzo-soprano Kathryn Rudge and baritone Henk Neven – accompanied by the BBC Concert Orchestra conducted by Barry Wordsworth. The Hills of Dreamland takes its title from a line in Elgar’s well-known setting, beautifully still and beseeching, of Arthur L Salmon’s Pleading. Historically the least regarded part of Elgar’s output, his songs contain a treasure-trove of vocal gems and here receive performances of insight, imagination and emotional directness.Tracklist:
Disc 1 (53:15)
1. Henk Neven, BBC Concert Orchestra & Barry Wordsworth – Song Cycle, Op. 59: No. 1, O Soft Was the Song (02:00)
2. Henk Neven, BBC Concert Orchestra & Barry Wordsworth – Song Cycle, Op. 59: No. 2, Was It Some Golden Star? (02:44)
3. Henk Neven, BBC Concert Orchestra & Barry Wordsworth – Song Cycle, Op. 59: No. 3, Twilight (02:50)
4. BBC Concert Orchestra, Barry Wordsworth & Kathryn Rudge – Song Cycle, Op. 59: No. 4, The Wind at Dawn (03:43)
5. Henk Neven, BBC Concert Orchestra & Barry Wordsworth – Song Cycle, Op. 59: No. 5, The Pipes of Pan (03:46)
6. Kathryn Rudge, BBC Concert Orchestra & Barry Wordsworth – 2 Songs, Op. 60 (Version for Voice & Orchestra): No. 1, The Torch (03:16)
7. Kathryn Rudge, BBC Concert Orchestra & Barry Wordsworth – 2 Songs, Op. 60 (Version for Voice & Orchestra): No. 2, The River (05:24)
8. Kathryn Rudge, BBC Concert Orchestra & Barry Wordsworth – Pleading, Op. 48 (04:02)
9. Henk Neven, BBC Concert Orchestra & Barry Wordsworth – Follow the Colours (06:38)
10. Kathryn Rudge, BBC Concert Orchestra & Barry Wordsworth – The King's Way (Version for Voice & Orchestra) (04:28)
11. Barry Collett, BBC Concert Orchestra & Barry Wordsworth – Grania & Diarmid, Op. 42: No. 1, Incidental Music (03:38)
12. BBC Concert Orchestra & Barry Wordsworth – Grania & Diarmid, Op. 42: No. 2, Funeral March (07:13)
13. BBC Concert Orchestra, Barry Wordsworth & Kathryn Rudge – Grania & Diarmid, Op. 42: No. 3, There Are Seven That Pull the Thread (03:33)
Disc 2 (36:55)
1. Nathalie de Montmollin & Barry Collett – Like to the Damask Rose (03:47)
2. Nathalie de Montmollin & Barry Collett – 3 Songs, Op. 16: No. 1, The Shepherd's Song (03:08)
3. Nathalie de Montmollin & Barry Collett – Dry Those Fair, Those Crystal Eyes (02:04)
4. Nathalie de Montmollin & Barry Collett – The Millwheel (Winter) (02:27)
5. Nathalie de Montmollin & Barry Collett – Muleteers' Song (02:18)
6. Nathalie de Montmollin & Barry Collett – As I Laye A-Thynkynge (06:57)
7. Nathalie de Montmollin & Barry Collett – Queen Mary's Song (03:31)
8. Nathalie de Montmollin & Barry Collett – 2 Songs, Op. 60 (Version for Voice & Piano): No. 1, The Torch (02:18)
9. Nathalie de Montmollin & Barry Collett – 2 Songs, Op. 60 (Version for Voice & Piano): No. 2, The River (04:22)
10. Nathalie de Montmollin & Barry Collett – 2 Songs, Op. 41: No. 1, In the Dawn (03:11)
11. Nathalie de Montmollin & Barry Collett – 2 Songs, Op. 41: No. 2, Speak, Music! (02:52)
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BBC Concert Orchestra / Barry Wordsworth / Elgar: The Hills Of Dreamland
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1 | 0:00.00 | 3:47.45 | 0 | 17069
2 | 3:47.45 | 3:08.15 | 17070 | 31184
3 | 6:55.60 | 2:04.60 | 31185 | 40544
4 | 9:00.45 | 2:27.45 | 40545 | 51614
5 | 11:28.15 | 2:18.45 | 51615 | 62009
6 | 13:46.60 | 6:57.30 | 62010 | 93314
7 | 20:44.15 | 3:31.30 | 93315 | 109169
8 | 24:15.45 | 2:18.15 | 109170 | 119534
9 | 26:33.60 | 4:22.15 | 119535 | 139199
10 | 30:56.00 | 3:11.30 | 139200 | 153554
11 | 34:07.30 | 2:52.60 | 153555 | 166514
Track 1
Filename A:\RIP\Elgar - The Hills Of Dreamland - BBC Orchestra, Wordsworth (2018)[FLAC]\CD2\01 - Like to the Damask Rose.wav
Pre-gap length 0:00:02.00
Peak level 63.1 %
Extraction speed 1.9 X
Track quality 100.0 %
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Track 2
Filename A:\RIP\Elgar - The Hills Of Dreamland - BBC Orchestra, Wordsworth (2018)[FLAC]\CD2\02 - The Shepherd's Song.wav
Peak level 96.7 %
Extraction speed 1.4 X
Track quality 99.9 %
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Track 3
Filename A:\RIP\Elgar - The Hills Of Dreamland - BBC Orchestra, Wordsworth (2018)[FLAC]\CD2\03 - Dry those fair, those crystal eyes.wav
Peak level 45.6 %
Extraction speed 1.2 X
Track quality 99.9 %
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Track 4
Filename A:\RIP\Elgar - The Hills Of Dreamland - BBC Orchestra, Wordsworth (2018)[FLAC]\CD2\04 - The Mill Wheel.wav
Peak level 61.8 %
Extraction speed 2.2 X
Track quality 100.0 %
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Track 5
Filename A:\RIP\Elgar - The Hills Of Dreamland - BBC Orchestra, Wordsworth (2018)[FLAC]\CD2\05 - Muleteer's Serenade.wav
Peak level 53.6 %
Extraction speed 2.2 X
Track quality 100.0 %
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Track 6
Filename A:\RIP\Elgar - The Hills Of Dreamland - BBC Orchestra, Wordsworth (2018)[FLAC]\CD2\06 - As I laye a-thynkynge.wav
Peak level 76.5 %
Extraction speed 2.8 X
Track quality 100.0 %
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Track 7
Filename A:\RIP\Elgar - The Hills Of Dreamland - BBC Orchestra, Wordsworth (2018)[FLAC]\CD2\07 - Queen Mary's Song.wav
Peak level 77.2 %
Extraction speed 2.8 X
Track quality 100.0 %
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Track 8
Filename A:\RIP\Elgar - The Hills Of Dreamland - BBC Orchestra, Wordsworth (2018)[FLAC]\CD2\08 - The Torch.wav
Peak level 63.4 %
Extraction speed 2.7 X
Track quality 100.0 %
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Track 9
Filename A:\RIP\Elgar - The Hills Of Dreamland - BBC Orchestra, Wordsworth (2018)[FLAC]\CD2\09 - The River.wav
Peak level 80.1 %
Extraction speed 3.1 X
Track quality 100.0 %
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Track 10
Filename A:\RIP\Elgar - The Hills Of Dreamland - BBC Orchestra, Wordsworth (2018)[FLAC]\CD2\10 - In the Dawn.wav
Peak level 61.8 %
Extraction speed 2.9 X
Track quality 100.0 %
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Track 11
Filename A:\RIP\Elgar - The Hills Of Dreamland - BBC Orchestra, Wordsworth (2018)[FLAC]\CD2\11 - Speak Music.wav
Peak level 49.5 %
Extraction speed 3.1 X
Track quality 100.0 %
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